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The "The Demo Was Better" Argument
#1
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:12 PM

The other side, the lyrical content, I have nothing to say. If the lyrics were better in the demo, it would be easier to accept.
Anyone agree?
#2
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:38 PM

#3
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:42 PM

With todays technology it is much easier for bands and musicians to produce very high quality sounding music with nothing more than a few mics, their computer and a decent recording program (Logic and/or Pro Tools). So when the original mixed version of Walking Away was presented it was not viewed as a demo, that was how the song originally sounded. However, on the album they altered the mix which really took away from the ambiance, feel and tone of the original mix, which suited the song much better in my opinion. This is probably the only case where I can cite an example, because more often than not the demo is always worse as it is more of a musical sketch than a finished product.
As for lyrics, I pay less attention to words than I do the sound of a persons voice, how they're utilizing it as an instrument within the band, and how it is produced and mixed within the song. That's what catches my ear, and as far as vocals go, Fred nailed on this record (with some minor exceptions which I don't need to go into).
Hope that helps to clarify a little bit. Nice thread too.
Edited by ndube, 26 June 2011 - 12:44 PM.
#4
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:44 PM

#5
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:59 PM

It's because demo had some space for imagination, and our mind invented sounds and riffs where they were surrounded by buzz. Now it's all on plate. So sometimes compared to imaginated riffs and sounds... Reality bites. But hasn't mom said not to listen to the demos?!
I disagree. As a matter of fact I'm listening to the version I prefer on headphones right now.
1. There is no buzz
2. The instruments are much clearer, as the drums and bass aren't overpowering Wes and Lethal
3. The vocals are properly balanced with the rest of the music, especially at the end when Fred layered his clean / screaming vocals
No need for my mind to invent anything other than what I was actually hearing.
Now, I have the leaked album version playing directly afterwards with the same headphones at the same volume
1. The drums are too beefy, compressed, and up in the mix for the feel of the song in my opinion
2. Because of the drum production, the bass needed to be raised, which takes away from Wes and Lethal in the softer parts
3. The only vocals that are really prominent at the end of the song are the screaming vocals leaving little room to hear the actual melody Fred is singing
Of course, everyone will have their own opinion, but that's how my ears hear the two versions and I know which I enjoy better as well as what I feel suits the feel of the song better.
But, at the end of the day I'm just a big music nerd with too much time on my hands. Sue me.

Edited by ndube, 26 June 2011 - 01:01 PM.
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Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:16 PM

#7
Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:23 PM

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:27 PM

#9
Posted 26 June 2011 - 02:19 PM

But.. I like album version of Walking Away more. It's more dynamic and biased.
#10
Posted 26 June 2011 - 02:35 PM

#11
Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

By the way, most people don't talk about the sound quality when using the "demo was better" argument.
Edited by Sage, 26 June 2011 - 03:24 PM.
#12
Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:24 PM

#13
Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:56 PM

#14
Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:58 PM

#15
Posted 26 June 2011 - 05:05 PM

I'm happier with every song on Gold Cobra vs the demos as well... except for Walking Away.
I think we can pretty much agree on this as a community ;-)
I just deleted the album version and replaced it with the demo on my iPod. Problem solved.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 05:47 PM

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 05:54 PM

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 06:02 PM

#19
Posted 26 June 2011 - 06:05 PM

#20
Posted 26 June 2011 - 06:15 PM

I just deleted the album version and replaced it with the demo on my iPod. Problem solved.
I plan on doing he same.
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