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Posted 21 June 2015 - 09:10 PM
For the missing member problem, I could see Lethal joining or them letting Frankos decent ass in the band finally. I'd prefer lethal.
I'm guessing more festivals and Europe tours and hopefully another us tour in 2017 or 2018. Anyone think they'll have the balls to play 3dby in it's entirety in 2017?
Maybe they'll drop an EP after Stampede, but I'm not worried about that, especially when there is no signs of sotde. I'm hoping for tutp2 if anything.
Posted 21 June 2015 - 09:54 PM
What will LB do in 2016, 2017, 2018 and beyond? Pretty much what they are doing now, touring aimlessly here and there, with the occasional Twitter promise from Fred, and not much else... Then they'll end it and that will be that.
Posted 21 June 2015 - 09:58 PM
Hopefully they'll work on a TUT2 and not delay it for
months years or cancel it again.
According to Fred they'll put out underground EPs regularly.
IMO most likely scenario though I hate to admit it : They'll become a touring nostalgia act and if they release anything it will be online singles randomly, hoping they'll find... Lightz.
Edited by JasonTheDragon, 21 June 2015 - 09:58 PM.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 03:53 AM
Scratch TUTPII, that's not gonna happen, never. I agree with Alex, I think if the album comes out at one point, they'll either continue like now or they'll just finally break up. I don't see any developement in any direction that would be mentionworthy.
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Posted 22 June 2015 - 04:29 AM
I haven't seen what is the motivation factor for LB since 2003. Wes mentioned that they cant play this kind of music for so long. Wes is 40. I don't get what's Fred goal. The others are just hanging with the moment I can see a break soon if the record is not comming out. I don't see LB after 2020...
I'm positive and surprised they are still around, but the future is not so bright. Its better to be realistic.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 04:42 AM
As long as they'll have bills to pay, they'll find a motivation to get out and play.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 04:57 AM
Wes can easily find project(s) to be involved. Sam and John can also find any bands to play with. Everything is up to Fred...I assume. Fred as a business man, I don't think he has to play to pay his bills.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 05:08 AM
I highly doubt he's any close to being rich.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 05:39 AM
"Wes can easily find project(s) to be involved. Sam and John can also find any bands to play with."
Where are all these projects that Wes can find so easily? The music industry is in the gutter, and has been so for ages... I know some people here think everyone is dying to have Wes as their guitarist, but it's so not the case. Every project Wes was part of has ended abruptly and probably never made any money. In fact, hasn't Wes lost money starting them up? I remember him saying that he invested all of his LB money into his band(s) after 2001.
What exactly can Wes do outside of LB in the music industry? Do you honestly think he has oh so many options but then he's in LB cause he loves it or because of the fans? Cause if so, you really need a reality check.
Wes has been trying to have a career outside of LB since 2001. It just didn't work. I'm sorry to say this cause him and Sam seem like the coolest members of this band, and I think both of them deserve so much better than what Fred is offering them, but I just don't see them being able to do anything significant on their own. Especially this late into the game. Unless a popular touring band needs a replacement and somehow they land that gig, which is pretty much as likely as winning the lottery at this point, it's safe to say that LB is their last stop in the music industry.
And considering Fred has completely given up on doing anything with the band, they are pretty much fucked and shit outta luck. That's why they haven't quit, cause there's not much else they can do. If they had options, they'd be out.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 06:30 AM
Just because a few members on a board aren't happy with things doesn't mean that it's in their best interest to stop touring and become road sweepers, they have their jobs and their job is one that we would all give our left bollock for, and they appreciate having such a job in today's broken music industry.
Edited by JasonTheDragon, 22 June 2015 - 06:32 AM.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 06:51 AM
He has to behave like an employee in Limp Bizkit as well, he has no say in this band whatsoever. It's probably better than being a hired gun in MM though, especially since MM is a wreck himself and seems like a pretty huge asshole to work with. I doubt Wes knew what LB would become by 2015, I'm sure he had higher hopes for this band back then.
As for their job right now being better than a regular 9 to 5 job, of course. But humans don't usually think like that, we take things for granted. When a normal person goes to his normal 9 to 5 job, he's unhappy that he doesn't have a better job, he isn't thinking "at least I'm not a starving African child with AIDS." Likewise, a musician who was once on top of the world and is now in a semi-dead nostalgia act, well, he's probably not thinking that he has a better job than you, he's just thinking that his once promising career is now going down the shitter due to one guy refusing to do anything with the band that he helped create. And he has to witness that first hand, helplessly, as he cannot do anything about it. That has to be frustrating as fuck. Just cause he doesn't sit in an office and earns more money than you doesn't mean that he's happier than you.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 07:19 AM
Fred will play Cod, and John and Sam won't do much.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 08:34 AM
It will never see the light of the day. SOTDE is a monster under Fred's bed. GC was rather ignored by media, month or two after release nobody talked about it on the internet except LB fanboys.
So we have one weird song, no announcements, no leaks, no samples. Nothing for years already. May be they'll give us something after tickets start sell poorly, not before.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 11:51 AM
Posted 22 June 2015 - 12:00 PM
LB is clearly Wes' most viable finanical endeavor at the moment, until they stopped getting booked for festivals. Alex already summed it all up but yeah. Wes has already explained numerous times that he'd rather at least be a part of a band that he helped create than be a hired gun in someone else's band, even if he may idolize guys like Manson and Reznor. That's not to say he's happier in LB, but I think the grass is always greener. When he was in Manson is probably when he started to miss playing in LB, where even if he has little say at least he's playing riffs that he wrote. But now who knows, maybe he wishes he could alternate between Queen Kwong and BLB as his two main bands.
I think intellectually Wes knows he is making the most of a less than ideal situation, even if it's not the most fulfilling thing he could be doing. The truth is Wes shines the most when he's the odd one out, and even he has probably accepted this by now. The juxtaposition of Fred Durst and Wes Borland, even just visually, made each of them stand out more. It's the clashing singer/guitarist dynamic on steroids. Who knows, maybe if he had formed a supergroup with Richard Patrick singing right after leaving LB it could've been something successful and he would've never had any incentive to return to LB. Unfortunately for Wes, he "pulled a Fred" with his 2001-2004 era projects and failed to materialize with anything at a point where he might've still been able to make an impact. An album as radio friendly as Cruel Melody with an actual proper vocalist might've had a chance to land somewhere on the radar in the early 2000s, and maybe could've been Wes' APC/Alter Bridge (honestly, rock DJs would probably have been foaming at the mouth for it JUST to stick it to Fred). Unfortunately he failed to strike while the iron was hot there, and the world moved on.
According to Celebrity Net Worth, Fred is worth $20 million and Wes is worth $5 million. Obviously you never know how reliable that stuff is, but that seems roughly believable to me.
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Posted 22 June 2015 - 12:09 PM
It's not reliable at all. I don't think Wes is worth $5 mil and that site is pretty much based on vague speculation on what a celebrity should theoretically be worth, but there's no way to know how much money they saved or spent or lost or whatever. Wes' estimate is probably based on what a member of a band as successful as LB was should have now, but they have no way of knowing what Wes did with that money and even what Wes' take from LB was.
All in all, we're better off guesstimating his fortune ourselves and we'll probably come closer to the truth than that site, because we actually know some shit about Wes and we don't just apply a generic formula.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 09:29 PM
I remember I asked wes on his instagram a few days about the album and he said it's never coming out.... give up. And he is probably right lol.
Posted 22 June 2015 - 09:42 PM
Haha, yeah... There you go. I should save all my posts predicting LB's "future," cause at one point they will end this and if by any chance any of them talk frankly about what it was like, I'll need my posts handy just to show you guys and say "I fucking told you so!"
Posted 23 June 2015 - 01:43 AM
Wait that's not good news.
Posted 23 June 2015 - 09:35 AM
First of allI don't agree with you guys. Let me explain my two cents. (I won't agree because this board would be really boring if I was)
Let's make apart the topics of inside and outside of LB:
- Inside the band You can't see any logic of him driving the band as he does.
- Outside of the band: He is a business man, if he doesn't care of the band it means he has other interests outside of the band. He has not to be as rich to have real estate invistments, any company, etc. I can't feel how he's dying to make LB more successfull to gain much more revenue.
- Inside: I can accept he failed in the past in career and in financial way but he likes to play with this band. I can believe it. Call me nuts. We have "known" him as an artist (in many aspect) I don't see he could sell himself to LB just because of the money. I'm not telling he is as excited being in the band as he used to be, but as you had mentioned before, this is his job there are his friends and he likes it currently. You can see it. Every realationship has it's upsides/downsides (2001, 2005) but at the and they are one band.
- Outside: as he is an artist, he doesn't care about the money. He didn't care in the past (as rejected big money) and he'll not be. Wes kind of artist who doesn't give a shit about money. Maybe he has loan, he sold his house, whatever but I don't think he cares of money. I meant he can play in any kind of project which he's interested, join, doing studio stuff, etc. He feels also to be happy with his king kong (or whatever) queen to go undergound.
- Inside: Its their job, but they're really attached to Fred. They are team players and the current situation seems not bad for them. Traveling around the world and playing music.
- Outside: They can join to any band or doing teaching. Sam had had his studio and he is quite happy with his ex-porn star girlfriend. I don't think they would need to sweap streets to buy food without the band.
Sorry guys, but I still don't see how they have to rape themself to play in the band to pay their bills. I'm not idealist and I understand LB is not as big as used to be, but I still can see how they do this band as they like to play music. (independently of the STODE)
Edited by AND1, 23 June 2015 - 09:59 AM.
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